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Title: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: GrumpyYoungMan on 17 Mar 2020, 08:06:36 am
Stay safe everyone, and do what you need to...

I think the UK approach is the most sensible due to the fact I think we all need to get it and recover from it - it's more the case of slowing it down - we are also probably the best nation to get this and deal with it due to our taxpayer funded health system.

I think a total lockdown won't help as you need immnity which you won't get if you shutdown the country!
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: sunfighter on 17 Mar 2020, 10:49:59 am
Convid-19 goes for the lungs and causes pneumonia which is not good for us old farts. Whats the death ratio for old people in the UK deaths/immunity? Bet Old Coot knows.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: mmerlinn on 17 Mar 2020, 01:18:15 pm
Convid-19 goes for the lungs and causes pneumonia which is not good for us old farts. Whats the death ratio for old people in the UK deaths/immunity? Bet Old Coot knows.

Young kids like you need not worry at all.

Here is an interesting take from a retired doctor involved in the SARS "epidemic:"

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-strictly-by-the-numbers-the-coronavirus-does-not-register-as-a-dire/
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: coothead on 17 Mar 2020, 03:57:26 pm
Quote from: sunfighter
What's the death ratio for old people in the UK deaths/immunity?
Bet Old Coot knows.

Actually, old coothead couldn't give a fig.  8)

 I just smile benignly.  ;)


coothead
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: Jason Knight on 18 Mar 2020, 01:04:57 am
due to the fact I think we all need to get it and recover from it
Problem is a large portion of the population CAN'T recover from it, and if it's widespread even people who normally could recover cannot -- because we lack the sheer number of professionals, equipment, and resources to keep them alive.

I often like to compare disease control to counter-terrorism. It faces many of the same problems with the general population that people forget what the worst case is like, they forget that it's a worst case that could -- and WILL -- happen if precautions are not taken.

The ideal situation is that if the people involved do their jobs, and the correct precautions are taken, NOTHING HAPPENS! -- that's a good thing, but it makes it hard for those who made sure nothing happen to be taken seriously when they talk about threats. In CT it's even worse, since letting any information that something COULD have happened and was stopped could compromise ongoing operations.

... and that's the thing, the precautions to make sure it is not millions dead will be seen as unnecessary after the fact because millions didn't die. Guys, THAT'S THE POINT.

Worst case, if you just let everyone get it, you're looking at collapsing the capacity of any healthcare system in the world to treat those who need care and treatment. We're talking millions of dead if efforts to contain it aren't maintained... and generally it's the young, the elderly, and the poor

But of course that's why so much of the current popularist rhetoric reeks of just more of waging war not on poverty, but upon the poor themselves.

As it is even with precautions the disease numbers are doubling daily, and in many places that's more than enough that the hospitals can't keep up with the people who genuinely need care to survive even the simplest of side effects like pneumonia.

Given it is more infections than the common flu, given the infection rate basically doubles every day, and given the numbers of the "horrificl" 2017 to 2018 numbers here in the colonies, a real-world worst case scenario should be around 4.6% of a countries population dead ASSUMING medical care can keep up.

That's 15 million dead in the US, and over 3 million in the UK.

And yet in spite of those realities, we already have reports of dipshits here in the US holding "Covid parties" like they do the huffing measles. Another deadly disease know-nothing luddites who do their "internet research" want to bring back.

But again, the people of most first world nations haven't faced proper epidemics since before WWII. They cannot conceive of the idea of so many dead at once you can't even keep up with getting the bodies out of homes or off the streets so they're just left where they are. They cannot conceive that just because you "feel" healthy it could still kill out. The arrogant, narcissistic "It could never happen to me".

Kind of like how detached from the idea of famine or even widespread starvation is for anyone in a first-world nation under the age of 80. They're unaware of it, never seen it, and unable to grasp the concepts. Unlike say, our friends in Ukraine who got to witness such horrors AFTER the second world war....

... and why I'm truly dismayed by the blank stare I get when I say "corporate farm conglomerates are just capitalist collectivization". Won't be long before either the mega-rich swallowing up all the wealth or the hippy dippy "organic food" whackjobs lead us into famine that's as bad as any pandemic.

Though that all adds up to the biggest problem, the utter sociopathic mindset that the hippy / boomer / me / yuppy  generation reveled in and promoted in all who came after. It's all about them. For every person that was out there protesting civil rights, you had a dozen little stoner ****'s who were dropping out, shooting up, turning on. They weren't protesting, they were looking for a reason to get high and drop out of society rather than doing anything that might fix it. Is it any wonder they became the leisure-suit wearing "did all the drugs so that there'd be nothing left but crack by the '90's" dirtbags in their 20's, and the corporate raiding suit-wearing greed greed and more greed slimeballs by the time they were thirty-somethings.

And it's that same level of sociopathic lack of empathy and narcissistic self-interest that drives much of the rhetoric and stupidity of most of today's Luddite-esque ignorance. The "I've got mine, screw everyone else" attitude that is painfully prevalent in today's society at nearly every level.

Hence why when I hear "oh we should just have everyone get it, skip the quarantine nonsense" my brain translates it into "Why should I be inconvenienced for a month or two just because it might save someone else's life".

Because that's REALLY what those with said attitude are saying.

Side note, as this is a highly political topic when you get into REAL answers and REAL discussion, I'm moving it to the zoo.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: GrumpyYoungMan on 5 Apr 2020, 06:39:32 am
Is this all part of the ID2020 project?
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: benanamen on 6 Apr 2020, 12:58:24 am
It sure is! They started with a pandemic drill called Event 201 on Oct 18. 2019 in New York, NY. Three months later, they went LIVE!

 Watch the videos they created of the drill. It's like watching the news of today.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/videos.html (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/videos.html)

Quote
Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms.

SOUND FAMILIAR?

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/ (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/)
(http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/sebin/v/b/Event201-logo.jpg)

Brought to you in part by our buddy, The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: GrumpyYoungMan on 10 Apr 2020, 11:14:27 am
So what’s your prediction when will the world return back to “normal” later this year? Next year? Or never this will become the new new normal...?
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: coothead on 10 Apr 2020, 12:13:41 pm
Well, next in line is global warming, which is
coming to wash  us and all our sins  away.  8)

coothead
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: mmerlinn on 10 Apr 2020, 06:16:46 pm
So what’s your prediction when will the world return back to “normal” later this year? Next year? Or never this will become the new new normal...?

Depends a LOT on how you define "normal."

Is normal last year? ten years ago? hundred years ago? or what?

Normal tends to morph over time as in what is normal now was abnormal a few years ago and vice versa.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: GrumpyYoungMan on 11 Apr 2020, 03:38:54 am
So what’s your prediction when will the world return back to “normal” later this year? Next year? Or never this will become the new new normal...?
Oh I get that - by normal I meant pre Covid?

Will we learn we need to manufacture more locally and relie on globe trade? And have better measures unplaced at customs?

Depends a LOT on how you define "normal."

Is normal last year? ten years ago? hundred years ago? or what?

Normal tends to morph over time as in what is normal now was abnormal a few years ago and vice versa.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: sunfighter on 11 Apr 2020, 09:10:52 am
I don't think it will. This is not the first virus that has evolved. More on the way. And will the anti-vaxers get a brain?  We are a world wide economy now, and will soon be a world wide society so pandemics will become common place soon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: GrumpyYoungMan on 11 Apr 2020, 12:02:26 pm
I don't think it will. This is not the first virus that has evolved. More on the way. And will the anti-vaxers get a brain?  We are a world wide economy now, and will soon be a world wide society so pandemics will become common place soon.
Are you a member of the one world government too?

This could actually lead us to be more country dependent rather than import/export dependent?
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: John_Betong on 11 Apr 2020, 11:51:49 pm
(http://ci4-strict.tk/assets/imgs/nothing-should-go-back-to-normal.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus: CONVID-19 - 2020
Post by: GrumpyYoungMan on 15 Apr 2020, 03:11:41 pm
Is this worth doing? I have 3 under used PCs and if you add in my Linux server could be 4...

https://ava.st/3erfWGO